File 025651
Email Chain Between Jeffrey E., Lawrence Krauss, and Noam Chomsky on Religion and Atheism (File 025651)
Email conversation from September 2015 among physicist Lawrence Krauss, philosopher Noam Chomsky, and Jeffrey E. discussing an article about scientists and atheism, with references to Caribbean travel and celebrity acquaintances.
Summary
This email chain from September 10-18, 2015 shows correspondence between Lawrence Krauss, Noam Chomsky, and Jeffrey E. regarding Krauss's New Yorker article about scientists being militant atheists. Chomsky responds with philosophical arguments distinguishing between religious and secular dogmatism, advocating for evidence-based critique over ridicule. The conversation includes personal remarks about Caribbean islands, celebrity acquaintances, and an upcoming film, with Krauss sharing his ASU administrative role and contact information.
From:Sent:To:Subject:Attachments:jeffrey E. [jeeyacation@gmail.com]9/18/2015 6:30:01 PMLawrence KraussRe: an article you may both hate. or like.DA866543-7401-4A5A-8E50-FD32E33A5OEC.pngImportance: Highor we can visit him on hisOn Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Lawrence Krauss < wrote:When I was with him yesterday I told him we were going to caribbean and he asked where.. He has an islandin bahamas, making you two the only people I know who own islands.. :) will ask him if he is free then. He isremarkable in new movie, though the film itself is not fantastic.. he is also a pretty good guitarist., his showwith alice cooper and joe perry in la was great.Lawrence M. KraussDirector, The Origins Project at ASUCo-Director, Cosmology InitiativeFoundation ProfessorSchool of Earth & Space Exploration and Physics DepartmentArizona State University, P.O. Box 871404, Tempe, AZ 85287-1404Research Office Assistant (Jessica):Oriainc Offirp (Cu thia):origins.asu.edu I twitter.corn/Ikraussl I krauss.faculty.asu.eduOrigi,roic,AFILEIDNA STATE UNIVERSITYOn Sep 18, 2015, at 9:08 AM, jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com> wrote:you can invite depp to visit us when you are in the caribeanOn Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Lawrence Krauss <W wrote:Ps. My piece argued against fanaticism.Lawrence M. KraussDirector, The Origins Project at ASUFoundation ProfessorSchool of Earth & Space Exploration and Physics DepartmentArizona State Universit, P.O. Box 871404, Tempe, AZ 85287-1404Research Office: , Assistant (Jessica):Origins Office (Cynthia):origins.asu.edu I twitter.com/Ikraussl I krauss.faculty.asu.edu<DA866543-7401-4A5A-8E50-FD32E33A5OEC.png>Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 10, 2015, at 12:02 PM, jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com> wrote:HOUSE OVERSIGHT 025651I think religion plays a major positive role in many lives. . i dont like fanaticism on either side. . sorryOn Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Noam Chomsky > wrote:Thanks for sending. A wide area of agreement, but not total.On confronting dogma, I of course agree — though in my opinion the secular religions — nationalist fanaticism, etc. —are much more dangerous. And if some find rational discussion offensive — as, for example, mainstream academicsfind dismantling myths of "American exceptionalism" or "Israeli self-defense" or Obama's mass murder campaign,etc., offensive — so be it.But I don't see why that should extend to ridicule. That includes astrologists. Astronomers can refute astrology,while recognizing that perfectly honest and deluded people may believe it and should be treated with respect, whiletheir beliefs are confronted with evidence. I also don't see why we should ridicule religious dogma, just as I don'tthink we should ridicule the much more pernicious secular dogmas. Rather, we should respond to irrational beliefwith argument and evidence, while recognizing that their advocates (like most of the intellectual world in the case ofsecular dogma) are people who we should be responding to but without ridiculing them. It may be hardsometimes. For example, when the icon and founding father of sober non-sentimental Realism in InternationalAffairs informs us that the US, unlike other countries, has a "transcendental purpose," and the fact that it constantlyacts in contradiction to its purpose doesn't matter because the facts are just "abuse of history" while real history is"the evidence of history as our minds reflect it," then it's hard to avoid ridicule. But we should. There's no pointridiculing virtually the entire IR profession and the major journals, even though such extraordinary irrationality leadsto major human disasters.On Davis, I frankly think that's a non-issue. If she decides she cannot do her job as the conditions of employmentrequire (including following the law), then she can quit and look for another job. As in any other such case.NoamFrom: Lawrence Krauss [mailto:_________________________________Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 1:51 AMTo: Noam Chomsky < .; jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com>Subject: an article you may both hate. or like.hope all is well.Lawrencehttp://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/all-scientists-should-be-militant-atheistsLawrence M. KraussDirector, The Origins Project at ASUCo-Director, Cosmology InitiativeFoundation ProfessorSchool of Earth & Space Exploration and Physics DepartmentHOUSE OVERSIGHT 025652Arizona State University, P.O. Box 871404, Tempe, AZ 85287-1404Research Office Assistant (JessicaOrigins Office (Cynthia)origins.asu.edu I twitter.comilkraussl I krauss.faculty.asu.eduplease noteThe information contained in this communication isconfidential, may be attorney-client privileged, mayconstitute inside information, and is intended only forthe use of the addressee. It is the property ofJEEUnauthorized use, disclosure or copying of thiscommunication or any part thereof is strictly prohibitedand may be unlawful. If you have received thiscommunication in error, please notify us immediately byreturn e-mail or by e-mail to jeevacation@gmail.com, anddestroy this communication and all copies thereof,including all attachments. copyright -all rights reservedplease noteThe information contained in this communication isconfidential, may be attorney-client privileged, mayconstitute inside information, and is intended only forthe use of the addressee. It is the property ofJEEUnauthorized use, disclosure or copying of thiscommunication or any part thereof is strictly prohibitedand may be unlawful. If you have received thiscommunication in error, please notify us immediately byreturn e-mail or by e-mail to jeevacation@gmail.com, anddestroy this communication and all copies thereof,including all attachments. copyright -all rights reservedHOUSE OVERSIGHT 025653please noteThe information contained in this communication isconfidential, may be attorney-client privileged, mayconstitute inside information, and is intended only forthe use of the addressee. It is the property ofJEEUnauthorized use, disclosure or copying of thiscommunication or any part thereof is strictly prohibitedand may be unlawful. If you have received thiscommunication in error, please notify us immediately byreturn e-mail or by e-mail to jeevacation@gmail.com, anddestroy this communication and all copies thereof,including all attachments. copyright -all rights reservedHOUSE OVERSIGHT 025654